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0002580DCP-o-maticBugspublic2023-10-02 21:38
Reporteroverlookmotel Assigned Tocarl  
PriorityurgentSeveritymajorReproducibilityalways
Status feedbackResolutionopen 
PlatformMacOSOS XOS Version10.14
Product Version2.16.59 
Target Version2.16.x 
Summary0002580: Inaccurate MainSoundConfiguration in metadata
Description

I've noticed what I think is inaccurate data in the SMPTE CompositionMetadataAsset in CPL of DCPs created with 2.16.x.

Input: SMPTE DCP made in DCP-o-matic 2.14.x with 8 audio channels - 5.1 + VI (audio description).
Process: Rewrap to add closed captions in 2.16.59. Set output audio as 8 track. Disable HI track in audio matrix.
Output: SMPTE DCP with 16 audio channels.

The anomaly is that the MainSoundConfiguration node of CompositionMetadataAsset in the CPL reads 71/L,R,C,LFE,Lss,Rss,-,VIN,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-.

The 71 part here seems inaccurate. Shouldn't it be 51?

I've not read the spec relating to this field so not 100% certain of the correct value, but have seen other commercially-produced DCPs with same audio layout where MainSoundConfiguration is listed as 51/L,R,C,LFE,Lss,Rss,-,VIN,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-.

Please can you confirm what correct behavior is? If this is a bug, happy to provide a repro case if helpful.

TagsNo tags attached.
Branch2580-msc
Estimated weeks required
Estimated work requiredUndecided

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carl

2023-06-30 18:55

administrator   ~0005799

Last edited: 2023-06-30 18:56

We did some tests with EasyDCP and a 5.1 DCP with HI + VI and a `MainSoundConfiguration of 71/L,R,C,LFE,Lss,Rss,HI,VIN and it passed. Doesn't mean that it's right though!

carl

2023-06-30 18:58

administrator   ~0005800

It does look suspicious though, you're right.

overlookmotel

2023-06-30 19:47

developer   ~0005801

A few random data points... Here are some examples of DCPs we've been sent for festivals which use 51/:

DCP made by Deluxe with Cipher CplGen 1.8.23 (8 channels):
51/L,R,C,LFE,Ls,Rs,HI,VIN

DCP made by Eikon with wl-cpl + Pylua v3.6.6 (8 channels):
51/L,R,C,LFE,Ls,Rs,HI,VIN

DCP made by Motion Picture Solutions with Packman 3.6.3 (6 channels):
51/L,R,C,LFE,Ls,Rs

DCP made with Fraunhofer IIS easyDCP Creator+ 4.1.2 (16 channels):
51/L,R,C,LFE,Ls,Rs,-,VIN,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-

DCP made with Fraunhofer IIS easyDCP Creator+ 4.1.2 (6 channels):
51/L,R,C,LFE,Ls,Rs

The first 2 are Netflix releases and the 3rd is Universal. That doesn't necessarily mean they're right, but I guess more likely to be.

I've searched our database and we haven't seen any DCPs at all in past year tagged 71/ except for ones made with DCP-o-matic.

overlookmotel

2023-06-30 19:56

developer   ~0005802

Actually, come to mention it, DCP-o-matic DCPs use Lss and Rss whereas all other DCPs from other software use Ls and Rs.

Contrary to what I said in first message in this issue, we've never seen 51/L,R,C,LFE,Lss,Rss, only 51/L,R,C,LFE,Ls,Rs.

We haven't received any 7.1 DCPs with SMPTE metadata so unable to advise what channel naming is used in those.

carl

2023-06-30 22:50

administrator   ~0005803

The Lss/Ls difference should be between 5.1 and 7.1 (5.1 should use Ls, 7.1 Lss). Thanks for the references - they sound convincing!

carl

2023-07-02 10:17

administrator   ~0005811

5e5a45917066e23be7ab8237c8dd63b21a69784e

overlookmotel

2023-07-02 11:03

developer   ~0005813

Thanks Carl.

What will be written if the DCP has a different audio layout e.g.:

  • Mono (C channel only)
  • Stereo (L+R only)
  • 3.1 (L, R, C, LFE only)
  • 3.0 (L, R, C only)
  • No audio ("MOS")

I guess other layouts are theoretically possible, but the above are all seen "in the wild" fairly regularly.

The 2 really common ones are stereo (very common in shorts), and mono (not unusual in old "archive" films).

From commit 5e5a45917066e23be7ab8237c8dd63b21a69784e, it looks like only 5.1 and 7.1 are options.

overlookmotel

2023-07-06 17:33

developer   ~0005849

One other point (let me know if this should go in a separate issue):

When making a VF DCP to accompany an existing OV DCP, MainSoundConfiguration in the VF can be misleading if the OV doesn't have 16 channels.

e.g.: OV DCP has 6 audio channels only (5.1).
When making a VF, VF has MainSoundConfiguration: 51/L,R,C,LFE,Ls,Rs,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-.

I believe this should reflect the number of actual channels in the DCP, so just 51/L,R,C,LFE,Ls,Rs (without the trailing ,-s).

carl

2023-09-07 21:39

administrator   ~0005935

I think the excessive channels in VFs is fixed now. The documentation about this whole thing seems very vague but it seems like only 51/... and 71/... are allowed. Do you have any counterexamples from "reputable" sources?

Bug History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2023-06-30 16:35 overlookmotel New Bug
2023-06-30 18:55 carl Note Added: 0005799
2023-06-30 18:56 carl Note Edited: 0005799
2023-06-30 18:58 carl Note Added: 0005800
2023-06-30 19:47 overlookmotel Note Added: 0005801
2023-06-30 19:56 overlookmotel Note Added: 0005802
2023-06-30 22:50 carl Note Added: 0005803
2023-06-30 22:50 carl Assigned To => carl
2023-06-30 22:50 carl Status new => confirmed
2023-06-30 22:52 carl Branch => 2580-msc
2023-06-30 22:52 carl Estimated work required => Undecided
2023-06-30 23:26 carl Priority normal => urgent
2023-06-30 23:26 carl Severity minor => major
2023-07-02 10:13 carl Tag Attached: git-bug
2023-07-02 10:16 carl Tag Detached: git-bug
2023-07-02 10:17 carl Status confirmed => resolved
2023-07-02 10:17 carl Resolution open => fixed
2023-07-02 10:17 carl Note Added: 0005811
2023-07-02 11:03 overlookmotel Note Added: 0005813
2023-07-06 17:33 overlookmotel Note Added: 0005849
2023-07-08 15:44 carl Status resolved => acknowledged
2023-07-08 15:46 carl Resolution fixed => open
2023-08-13 12:23 carl Target Version => 2.16.x
2023-09-01 15:56 carl Target Version 2.16.x => 2.16.64
2023-09-07 21:39 carl Status acknowledged => feedback
2023-09-07 21:39 carl Note Added: 0005935
2023-09-13 22:34 carl Target Version 2.16.64 => 2.16.65
2023-09-21 00:08 carl Target Version 2.16.65 => 2.16.66
2023-10-02 21:38 carl Target Version 2.16.66 => 2.16.x